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Par défaut L'extension d'entrepot - 30/10/2008, 12h04

J'ai lu dans certains sujet que pas mal d'entre vous l'utilisiez. Pour ma part, j'ai encore beaucoup de mal à comprendre comment cela fonctionne. D'après ce que j'avais cru comprendre, l'extension porte à 300 le stocage possible et elle vend automatiquement tout ce qui dépasse 300 à la moitié du prix en europe.
Hier soir, j'ai pu constater (notamment après la révolution, mais pas seulement) que certains de mes stocks (tabac, coton, tissu, cigares)montaient jusque 500 voir plus... Certains marchandises étaient perdues de manière régulière, d'autres vendues comme ci cela fontionnait (mais toujours pour des quantités trés faibles)...
Quelqu'un aurait-il l'amabilité d'éclairer mon lampion ? Y a t il une option à activer quelque part comme le poste de douane dans le colo 94 ?


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Par défaut 30/10/2008, 12h11

Je me pose la même question. J'ai l'impression que l'extension d'entrepôt ne vend qu'une quantité limité de ton surplus (combien? mystère). Du coup si tu produit plus que cette capacité de vente tu arrives rapidement à des stocks énormes. Du coup je ne l'utilise que pour éviter de trop gaspiller mon surplus, mes galions me permettant de vendre la majorité de ma production.

Si quelqu'un sait comment faire pour que l'extension vende tous le surplus je suis aussi intéressé. Peut être que sphynxounet qui a beaucoup testé cette méthode de vente pourra nous éclairer.


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Par défaut 30/10/2008, 12h16

Comme pour toi, les navires permettent de bien vendre tout ca pendant la première phase du jeu. Mais une fois que le roi a pris le contrôle de la mer, impossible pour moi d'acceder à l'europe (même en ayant choisie l'option pour). Et ca fait quand même mal au coeur de vendre aux indiens 200 cigares pour 450 d'or (après un premier voyage où ils donnent souvent 1000-1300 cependant).


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Par défaut 30/10/2008, 14h59

Je suis au même niveau que vous. Surtout qu'avec les hommes d'états les autres productions sont augmentées et on arrive vite à des surplus considérable.

D'un autre côté je ne suis pas certain du tout quant à la possibilité de vendre tout le surplus. Ca fait un moment que je cherche une réponse sur les forums US, en vain...
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Par défaut 30/10/2008, 16h28

Nous sommes tous dans la même problématique et je doute que ce soit un hasard ou une erreur de firaxis de limiter le nombre de matière excédentaire vendue via l'extension d'entrepôt et je vois au moins 2 raisons :

1ère raison :
J'ai une partie ou ma production de cigares avoisine les 150 unités par tour, pour des raisons de facilité, j'envoie tout dans la même colonie pour simplifier la gestion des galions (en compliquant celle des chariots !). Ca m'embeterait fortement de "perdre" le tout en vente à 50% pour cause de manque de galions bien que j'en ai 3 qui se relaient en permanence. Il s'avère que je pourrai faire différemment dans cette partie mais dans certaines maps ce n'est pas forcement le cas, notamment quand le gros des colonies est sans accès maritime, il faut bien rediriger quelque part pour l'export.

2ème raison :
Si l'extension vendait automatiquement tout le surplus, il faudrait ouvrir un autre topic pour trouver des solutions pour augmenter le nombre d'emplacements de stockage possible pour les chariots car bon nombre trouverait sans doute aussi dommage de tout "perdre" en vente à 50% et nous ferions alors collection de chariots, le jeu se rebaptiserait du coup colonization : trolley tycoon ! ou colonization : logistique pour les nuls !.

Ceci dit il est vrai qu'il en faut pour tous les goûts et il est dommage qu'il n'y ai pas d'option de vente automatique de tout ce qui surpasse la capacité de stockage, en vente à 50%, de pouvoir vendre aux autres nations (qui permettrait d'augmenter l'aspect diplomatique entre nations qui est au ras des paquerettes dans le jeu) ou encore d'avoir la possibilité de vendre aussi à prix "dégriffer" aux indiens ou carrément de leur offrir des ressources dans un but de renforcement des relations (je suis très humaniste, je n'ai jamais détruit un village indien) sans avoir à déplacer ses chariots.

Il y a sans doute pleins d'autres raisons toutes aussi valables que les autres autant pour appuyer la théorie que pour la démonter au complet, pas facile de faire un choix au moment d'éditer un jeu !
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Par défaut 30/10/2008, 17h26

Le problème actuel, c'est qu'aucun de nous n'est capable de définir clairement quels seront les marchandises vendues et lesquelles seront stockées...

Et pour ce qui est des chariots, c'est déja transport tycoon colo chez moi perso

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d'avoir la possibilité de vendre aussi à prix "dégriffer" aux indiens ou carrément de leur offrir des ressources dans un but de renforcement des relations (je suis très humaniste, je n'ai jamais détruit un village indien) sans avoir à déplacer ses chariots.
Ca par contre, c'est déja le cas et ca renforce d'ailleurs les relations.

Ce qui est dommage c'est de ne pas pouvoir mettre la malaria sur les draps qu'on leur offre, ca éviterait de les raser . Ou encore que le rhum qu'on leur paye diminue la puissance de leurs guerriers pour que ca soit plus simple de les achever ² (mais non j'suis pas méchant )


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Par défaut 30/10/2008, 18h54

Euh, tu arrives à vendre aux indiens sans avoir à déplacer de chariots dans leur village ?

Je suis très intéressé par cette option, c'est quoi la recette ?
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Euh, tu arrives à vendre aux indiens sans avoir à déplacer de chariots dans leur village ?

Je suis très intéressé par cette option, c'est quoi la recette ?
Oups, j'ai pas du être bien clair. Je voulais dire que c'étais déja possible de vendre à prix dégriffé aux indiens. Mais ils faut quand même transporter la marchandise à bon port avec un chariot ou un bateau...


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Si quelqu'un sait comment faire pour que l'extension vende tous le surplus je suis aussi intéressé. Peut être que sphynxounet qui a beaucoup testé cette méthode de vente pourra nous éclairer.
comme l'extension ne vend qu'un % du surplus, ça risques d'être dur^^
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comme l'extension ne vend qu'un % du surplus, ça risques d'être dur^^
Si tu sais de quel % du surplus il s'agit, je pense que nous sommes tous preneur ² Et si en plus tu sais nous dire pourquoi il prend parfois certaines marchandises et pas d'autres, idem


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